“The prices of the goods of higher orders are ultimately determined by the prices of the goods of the first or lowest order, that is, the consumers’ goods. As a consequence of this dependence they are ultimately determined by the subjective valuations of all members of the market society. It is, however, important to realize that we are faced with a connection of prices, not with a connection of valuations. The prices of the complementary factors of production are conditioned by the prices of the consumers’ goods. The factors of production are appraised with regard to the prices of the products, and from this appraisement their prices emerge. Not the valuations but the appraisement are transferred from the goods of the first order to those of higher orders. The prices of the consumers’ goods engender the actions resulting in the determination of the prices of the factors of production. These prices are primarily connected only with the prices of the consumers’ goods. With the valuations of the individuals they are only indirectly connected, viz., through the intermediary of the prices of the consumers’ goods, the products of their joint employment.” (Mises 2008: 330–331).The crucial concept is that of “value imputation.” The notion of value imputation is explained by Hülsmann:
“The market determines prices of factors of production in the same way in which it determines prices of consumers’ goods. The market process is an interaction of men deliberately striving after the best possible removal of dissatisfaction. It is impossible to think away or to eliminate from the market process the men actuating its operation. One cannot deal with the market of consumers’ goods and disregard the actions of the consumers. One cannot deal with the market of the goods of higher orders while disregarding the actions of the entrepreneurs and the fact that the use of money is essential in their transactions. There is nothing automatic or mechanical in the operation of the market. The entrepreneurs, eager to earn profits, appear as bidders at an auction, as it were, in which the owners of the factors of production put up for sale land, capital goods, and labor. The entrepreneurs are eager to outdo one another by bidding higher prices than their rivals. Their offers are limited on the one hand by their anticipation of future prices of the products and on the other hand by the necessity to snatch the factors of production away from the hands of other entrepreneurs competing with them.” (Mises 2008: 332–333).
“The competition among the entrepreneurs is ultimately a competition among the various possibilities open to men to remove their uneasiness as far as possible by the acquisition of consumers’ goods. The decisions of the consumers to buy one commodity and to postpone buying another determine the prices of factors of production required for manufacturing these commodities. The competition between the entrepreneurs reflects the prices of consumers’ goods in the formation of the prices of the factors of production.” (Mises 2008: 335).
“The kernel of Mises’s theory of calculation is this: while calculation in terms of money prices is the essential intellectual tool of entrepreneurs acting in a market economy, calculation in terms of ‘value’ is impossible. A calculus can only be performed with multiples of an extended unit; for example, one can add one apple to another apple or one grain of silver to another grain of silver. In contrast, one cannot add a telephone to a piano concerto and still less can one add wittiness to silence. These things are incommensurable and therefore cannot be linked through mathematical operations. So it is with value. One cannot quantify the value of a thing because value is not extensive and therefore not measurable.That is confirmed by Mises’s statement that “[e]conomic calculation always deals with prices, never with values” (Mises 2008: 332).
However, value can be qualitatively ‘imputed’ from consumer goods to factors of production, in the sense of a value-dependency: those factors of production are valuable only because they serve to produce valuable consumer goods. But there is no such thing as quantitative value and thus no value calculation; there is only price calculation.” (Hülsmann 2007: 399–400).
In Mises’s view, capitalists do not value factor inputs directly but indirectly for the goods they can produce.
Thus the subjective value of factors of production to entrepreneurs are ultimately determined by the value of consumer goods. That is not an unreasonable insight, but it does not follow that all prices are formed in the way Mises imagines: that is, in a flexible manner in auction-like markets where capitalists are bidding against each other.
The fundamental failing of Mises’ analysis is that even factor inputs such as capital goods can have prices set by the producers based on average costs of production per unit plus a profit mark-up.
In particular, durable capital goods tend to have mark-up prices, and this is confirmed in the relative inflexibility of producers’ goods prices (Greenslade and Parker 2012: F4)
In this case of mark-up pricing, Mises has it the wrong way around: the prices of the relevant factor inputs used in production determine the prices of mark-up capital goods, not consumer prices.
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Greenslade, Jennifer V. and Miles Parker. 2012. “New Insights into Price-Setting Behaviour in the UK: Introduction and Survey Results,” Economic Journal 122.558: F1–F15.
Hülsmann, J. G. 2007. Mises: The Last Knight of Liberalism. Ludwig von Mises Institute, Auburn, Ala.
Mises, L. von. 2008. Human Action: A Treatise on Economics. The Scholar’s Edition. Ludwig von Mises Institute, Auburn, Ala.
Murphy, Robert P. and Amadeus Gabriel. 2008. Study Guide to Human Action. A Treatise on Economics: Scholar’s Edition. Ludwig von Mises Institute, Auburn, Ala.
As you have previously acknowledged a pure cost+markup pricing system is impossible. Somewhere in the system you need prices that are not based on cost. If these prices (typically for labor and raw materials) are based upon supply and demand then (it can be shown) the prices and outputs of all other goods will (other things being equal) tend to be set the same whether one assumes an economy where adjustments are done via price and quantity adjustments combined or by quantity adjustment alone.
ReplyDeleteI have a question about the dynamics of cost+markup. What drives innovation in such models ? If a company is not profit-maximizing then why would it bother investing in R&D ? Any cost reductions in such models are (by definition) passed onto customers as lower prices.
(1) "As you have previously acknowledged a pure cost+markup pricing system is impossible."
DeleteI do not recall saying it is logically impossible. But nevertheless we do live a world with different and eclectic price setting methods, yes.
(2) " Somewhere in the system you need prices that are not based on cost."
No, you do not "need" them if by that you logically require them with certainty.
We do however have flexible price markets.
(3) "If these prices (typically for labor and raw materials) are based upon supply and demand then (it can be shown) the prices and outputs of all other goods will (other things being equal) tend to be set the same whether one assumes an economy where adjustments are done via price and quantity adjustments combined or by quantity adjustment alone. "
This is a non sequitur.
The apodosis does not follow from your protasis.
(4) You are simply conflating "profit-maximizing" in the neoclassical sense with "profit seeking" or "profit driven" in a different sense that you do see observe in firms.
Firms with productivity growth and in markets with competition do reduce prices. They might manage to increase profits if price fall enough to increase sales.
But then some firms may not do that: they might simply increase profit mark-up and
maintain price despite the fact they have cut costs.
"No, you do not "need" them if by that you logically require them with certainty."
ReplyDeleteWell what is the "cost" of labor and scarce raw materials ? What is the "cost" that their price is based upon ?
I'm not sure I understand your answer on why firms take on R&D costs. Sounds like you saying that firms use cost+markup to determine price but will try to maximize profit by reducing costs. And you say they might reduce costs while leaving price unchanged (that is: increase the markup), Presumably they would do this because it increased profits? But If they are prepared to change the markup because costs falls why wouldn't they be just as prepared to increase the mark-up by simply increasing price, if that similarly increased profit ?
Surely these are two very similar ways of being "profit driven" ? Why be prepared to do one but not the other ? I don't get that.
(1) on point (1), it is not logically impossible for an economy to have all mark-up prices. This is the point I am making here.
Delete(2) "But If they are prepared to change the markup because costs falls why wouldn't they be just as prepared to increase the mark-up by simply increasing price, if that similarly increased profit ? "
Real world firms increase their profit mark-up to increase profits all the time, and for other reasons, e.g., because they want more money for investment, R&D etc.
"(1) on point (1), it is not logically impossible for an economy to have all mark-up prices. This is the point I am making here."
ReplyDeleteIn which case it must be logically possible to set the price of labor to cost+markup. How would you calculate the cost ?
"Real world firms increase their profit mark-up to increase profits all the time, and for other reasons, e.g., because they want more money for investment, R&D etc."
So if they adjust mark-up to maximize profit then its not really cost+markup is it ? Wouldn't that be profit-maximizing price setting?
"Wouldn't that be profit-maximizing price setting?"
DeleteIn what sense? Certainly it would still not be in the neoclassical sense.
Welcome to the 19th century of economics!
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