tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post7223907793739782375..comments2024-03-28T17:08:15.784-07:00Comments on Social Democracy for the 21st Century: A Realist Alternative to the Modern Left: Realist Left with Answers for LibertariansLord Keyneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-59079663438846526162016-10-03T08:46:42.995-07:002016-10-03T08:46:42.995-07:00I think that's giving them more credit than* i...I think that's giving them more credit than* is due:<br /><br />http://nyupress.org/books/9781479893409<br />https://archive.org/details/GeraldHorneOnRealityAssertsItself<br />http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12266<br />http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12272<br />http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12277Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11890229869783893118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-32019928967392097642016-10-02T14:24:33.656-07:002016-10-02T14:24:33.656-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11890229869783893118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-81226710850600823862016-10-02T10:27:24.554-07:002016-10-02T10:27:24.554-07:00True, eve the Founders who wanted something done a...True, eve the Founders who wanted something done about slavery knew the question had to be put off until the war of independence was one. Then they just kicked the can down the road until the Civil War gave anti-slave people an opportunity to end it once and for all. Lukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277134451848581852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-4866423046561748152016-10-02T06:23:42.294-07:002016-10-02T06:23:42.294-07:00I'm thinking about taking down the video and r...I'm thinking about taking down the video and redoing it given a major mess up in accidentally inserting a piece of audio in the middle of it, and perhaps shortening the intro which in retrospect seems too long and sometimes too convoluted (bringing up "Turkish Statism" doesn't really matter, should cut down the Cullen Roche description, not mention the Consequentialist/Deontological ethics as I barely went into it, etc.). I guess this is simply the growing pains of creating videos, and hit-and-miss with connecting with the audience, and with finding the right video editing software that isn't prone to glitching! In any event, in future videos, I'll want to break down Libertarianism in further ways than just a response videos. There are so many things more that I wanted to say, but 35 minutes is already pretty long, and probably too long for a video.<br /><br /> <br />On your points, these are all decent ways of categorizing them based on the general philosophical/ideological school that drew them to Libertarianism in the first place. My 3 distinctions were based moreso on the Political distinctions. As you know, Austrians can be all three, Randians can be Moderate or Minarchist, Neo-classical Libertarians can be moderate or near-minarchist, and many of the anarco-capitalists are either Austrian-influenced or not really influenced by any of the above philosophies, and gets there through a more ethical line of reasoning ("Voluntarism"), etc. <br /><br />And I also think that there's a more general group of people that do not commit firmly to any of these philosophical underpinnings, but self-identify as Libertarian or Libertarian-leaning "I'm more of a Libertarian.." because of the desire for less or small government, beliefs that markets work better or that 'government' is being too burdensome... but when you pin them on specifics, you can actually convince them to expand government in a lot of areas. These are basically social liberals with no firm beliefs of economics. I've known many supporters of Ron Paul and the LP before he arrived on scene, because of its stance on social issues, but when pinned down on economics they were easily closer to social democracy. I would include this group of people in the "moderate Libertarianism / Classical Liberalism" camp as well. It's well-noted that it's this group of people that is most prone to being convinced in the Realist Left/Alt Left way of doing things, and indeed I've seen many people self-identify as "Libertarian" only to basically become American Liberals a few years later.<br /><br />I do understand that there are some consequentialist Libertarians out there, including David Friedman. Mises himself was a utilitarian. But I really don't think the vast majority of Libertarians today are consequentialists, although given I believe most people can be swayed by consequentialist lines of reasoning, they will often employ them when trying to convince someone else, especially of the more neo-classical, Friedman-esque variety (i.e. "Free Markets and Capitalism always work better than Statism and Socialism"). Most are deontological, particularly the voluntarism strand, but also the Rothbardian natural rights strand which forms the differing "original principles" of which the deontological ethical system is based upon.<br /><br />Kainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09841689865415250256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-43280824055563926322016-10-02T05:14:02.564-07:002016-10-02T05:14:02.564-07:00Every right comes with an equal and opposite oblig...Every right comes with an equal and opposite obligation and both are granted at the behest of your peers. <br /><br />Too many discussion on rights forget the obligations bit. And that is the same as taking without giving first. <br /><br />NeilWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565959939525324309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-55512963814906351462016-10-02T04:15:55.791-07:002016-10-02T04:15:55.791-07:00I am not really a big fan of the word "rights...I am not really a big fan of the word "rights". The left and the right both base their politics on considering something a right, as if a right is something that self evidently exists.<br /><br />There are no rights, there are only interests, and all we do in politics is fight to protect our interests and of those we support.Prateekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15287835907015065883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-73136850782279711322016-10-02T02:28:39.105-07:002016-10-02T02:28:39.105-07:00He seems to have a more glowing view of the US Fou...He seems to have a more glowing view of the US Founders than I think is warranted. The Constitution was drafted in a secret meeting, and the one time any state ever got to vote on that document - Rhode Island - it went down in flames~! To say nothing of strong evidence the whole revolution was about protecting the Slave Trade to begin with.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11890229869783893118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-16615960159014513242016-10-02T02:00:00.387-07:002016-10-02T02:00:00.387-07:00Enter the "real" realist left, otherwis...Enter the "real" realist left, otherwise known as the Youtube channel Real Progressives into the discussion:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/GDzfMGOxmvk<br /><br />The notion that taxpayer dollars are needed to fund government programs is a fallacy. Argued by an MMT guy, no less.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11890229869783893118noreply@blogger.com