tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post8833669404717803994..comments2024-03-28T17:08:15.784-07:00Comments on Social Democracy for the 21st Century: A Realist Alternative to the Modern Left: Hayek the Ethnic Bigot and the Perils of the Ad Hominem FallacyLord Keyneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-89845757080099951052012-05-30T00:59:50.174-07:002012-05-30T00:59:50.174-07:00For my point of view it is hard to tell at which p...For my point of view it is hard to tell at which point it is just sorting method and at which point real bigotry begins.<br /><br />I also saw an Hungarian claim ones quite generally that where he lives it is hard to do business because the people (his own people!) are very dishonest and only try to rip people off. Is he therefor a bigot against his own race?<br /><br />Is a German who leaves Germany for another country because he doesn't like that Germans are so unfriendly compared to other people also a bigot?<br /><br />I mean if I said Germans are unfriendly, that would be seen as bigotry by many people today, if a German himself says it, it’s not...<br /><br />For me real racism/bigotry start where people really think other races/ethnic groups are worth less, do not deserve the same rights as you and so on. <br /><br />Everything else might be misunderstanding pure sorting mechanism, which expresses a like or dislike for cultural differences based on past experience for real racism/bigotry. Or aren't we allowed to have any preferences any more, and try to use past experience to be more efficient in our decision making?<br /><br />So far as neither Keynes nor Hayek or anyone else doesn't demand different rights or states that there is an inherent different value among different races/ethnic groups, it is not racist/bigotry for me.<br /><br />I am not saying it is impossible that Hayek or Keynes were closet bigots. I am just saying that those lines do not prove it (at least for me), and for my experience real bigots/racist show their thinking often and with much more clarity.skylienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08160738385436843080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-21444527669122646212012-05-29T23:10:30.123-07:002012-05-29T23:10:30.123-07:00Ludwig Wittgenstein was a extended cousin of Hayek...Ludwig Wittgenstein was a extended cousin of Hayek's -- Hayek's mother grew up playing with Wiggenstein's sister ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-367995996551071292012-05-22T12:20:08.681-07:002012-05-22T12:20:08.681-07:00He was a man born in the 19th century, so I suppos...He was a man born in the 19th century, so I suppose it is not that surprising.<br /><br />E.g., Bertrand Russell - despite being one of the most open minded and liberal people of his day - had some quite bigoted opinions on race, at least early in his life.<br /><br />You will note how I say that none of this gives us a reason for dismissing Hayek's economics, of course.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-81681711260102798822012-05-22T12:14:37.414-07:002012-05-22T12:14:37.414-07:00Wow I had never heard this before. That's pret...Wow I had never heard this before. That's pretty amazing that he would say something so blatant like that!Bob Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04001108408649311528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-88250312595922712772012-01-15T07:35:02.006-08:002012-01-15T07:35:02.006-08:00Add Richard Kahn among his Jewish friends. Keynes ...Add Richard Kahn among his Jewish friends. Keynes used to call him "my little Rabbi" or something like that. <br />You should look for a text of Michael Ambrosi about Keynes relationship with Jewish and specially with the Zionist movement. You might find a surprise.<br />PabloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-70115790965505298312012-01-14T23:10:38.628-08:002012-01-14T23:10:38.628-08:00"What "close Jewish friends" did Ke...<i>"What "close Jewish friends" did Keynes have?"</i><br /><br />Leonard Woolf <br /><br />Piero Sraffa<br /><br />Carl Melchior (in Germany)<br />("subjected to anti-semitic attack, [sc. Melchior] died in December 1933. When the Mayor of Hamburg visited King’s College in 1934 and invited Keynes over, he replied, <b>‘After the death of my friend . . . there is nothing left that could attract me to Hamburg.’”</b> (Skidelsky 1992: 486)).<br /><br />Isaiah Berlin<br /><br />Ludwig Wittgenstein<br />("Keynes several times used his influence to help his Jewish friends, most notably when he successfully lobbied for Wittgenstein to be allowed residency in Great Britain explicitly in order to rescue him from being deported to Nazi-occupied Austria"<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Allegations_of_racism<br /><br />Other less close friends/acquaintances:<br />Felix Frankfurter<br />EinsteinLord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-62676784528089596462012-01-14T12:24:34.863-08:002012-01-14T12:24:34.863-08:00"And Keynes expressed numerous anti-Semitic r..."And Keynes expressed numerous anti-Semitic remarks, yet also had close Jewish friends."<br /><br />What "close Jewish friends" did Keynes have?Christofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-68141754365450847492012-01-14T06:34:46.792-08:002012-01-14T06:34:46.792-08:00Of course a racist will not have anything against ...Of course a racist will not have anything against friends of a disliked race.<br /><br />Just consider what being a racist means.<br /><br />It means dismissing those whom you do not personally know in great depth as having certain characteristics based on what their race is.<br /><br />If a racist personally does know someone, then the racist need not extrapolate his characteristics from race. He knows his friend well enough.<br /><br />I don't know why Ivan Foo Foo did not notice the obvious. Of course one can never have preconceived opinions of a friend, but one can always have preconceived opinions of people one has never met.Prateek Sanjaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-26113116918666305752012-01-14T05:30:00.538-08:002012-01-14T05:30:00.538-08:00And Keynes expressed numerous anti-Semitic remarks...And Keynes expressed numerous anti-Semitic remarks, yet also had close Jewish friends.<br /><br />The mere fact that Hayek had a Jewish mentor like Mises does not mean that Hayek never had anti-Semitic opinions. <br /><br />The phenomenon of "cognitive dissonance" and racism is well known. Bigoted people make exceptions for people that they know well.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-91308087488538969392012-01-14T05:23:13.525-08:002012-01-14T05:23:13.525-08:00You're saying that Hayek was an anti-semite, w...You're saying that Hayek was an anti-semite, which I find kinda puzzling since Mises, his mentor, was a Jew.ivanfoofoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07899286403907746852noreply@blogger.com