tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post5317318829603487957..comments2024-03-17T00:23:24.896-07:00Comments on Social Democracy for the 21st Century: A Realist Alternative to the Modern Left: A Wikipedia Entry for the “Realist Left”Lord Keyneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-49834559320205906682016-09-10T07:02:40.475-07:002016-09-10T07:02:40.475-07:00Welcome to the basket of the deplorables! Welcome to the basket of the deplorables! Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207803092348071005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-67652392357152740632016-09-10T01:43:15.517-07:002016-09-10T01:43:15.517-07:00In what sense are you using "realist"? ...In what sense are you using "realist"? Just as a connotatively positive qualifier?<br /><br />Because if there's a commitment to philosophical realism built into this, that's kind of an important thing to leave out of your inaugural document or whatever this is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-87330947456300255252016-09-09T14:50:22.439-07:002016-09-09T14:50:22.439-07:00I wish you well, we need sane people of various pe...I wish you well, we need sane people of various persuasions, even ones who are wrong on free trade, but in a way this strikes me as odd still. You reject pretty much everything that defines the left, but want to call yourself Left. Should we atheists start calling ourselves Realist Christians? Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207803092348071005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-75837873318486327792016-09-09T12:14:27.685-07:002016-09-09T12:14:27.685-07:00Another issue that I think the Realist Left needs ...Another issue that I think the Realist Left needs to support is national sovereignty and strong opposition to plans to replace national governments with unelected bureaucrats or international courts. Neoliberalism will be hard to defeat if progressive legislation on the national level can be overturned by unelected, unaccountable supranational bodies. Tiberius Gracchusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-11767527805994146182016-09-09T10:39:06.562-07:002016-09-09T10:39:06.562-07:00Ah.
Roddis reports back on goings on here. He alw...Ah. <br />Roddis reports back on goings on here. He always seems shocked when you and I disagree (on infers he must have a higher opinion of you than he lets on.)Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-34092422040984140312016-09-09T10:33:10.567-07:002016-09-09T10:33:10.567-07:00lol.. cross purposes.
To clarify things, I suspec...lol.. cross purposes.<br /><br />To clarify things, I suspect "George" is Major_Freedom, as he's commented under that name before.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-18678774967817788452016-09-09T10:28:32.414-07:002016-09-09T10:28:32.414-07:00This could go on and on ...
Are you replying to me...This could go on and on ...<br />Are you replying to me or the idiot linking Tom Woods? Because if you are replying to me it seems a puzzling non-sequitur. <br /><br />Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-35952798033447504502016-09-09T09:35:56.911-07:002016-09-09T09:35:56.911-07:00Excellent initiative. I'll create an account t...Excellent initiative. I'll create an account there too.<br /><br />I also tend to agree with the "Alt Left", which is why I like the "Realist Left" name the best.Kainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09841689865415250256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-75875457110153467922016-09-09T09:33:59.709-07:002016-09-09T09:33:59.709-07:001) I tend to think that the "Liberal Internat...1) I tend to think that the "Liberal Internationalism" international relations framework would generally describe us. We would benefit more if we cooperated with Russia, and even invited them in a serious way into NATO. But I at least see logic for IR Realism assuming that Liberal Internationalism fails, and we become competing blocs instead of cooperative, which was particularly the case during the Cold War.<br /><br />2) I agree, which is why I think we should wait a little bit for the community to get up and running, and for the main blog to be created, alongside having other affiliated blogs that we could legitimately call part of the "Realist Left".<br /><br />The subreddit is also a good step forward, as would be creating a youtube channel. I guess I'll get onto that latter one asap.Kainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09841689865415250256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-40624927395210645232016-09-09T09:28:06.058-07:002016-09-09T09:28:06.058-07:00What does what mean?What does what mean?Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-44802574780997409242016-09-09T09:25:33.082-07:002016-09-09T09:25:33.082-07:00What the heck does that mean LK?
What the heck does that mean LK?<br />Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-13789737645549475372016-09-09T09:20:44.175-07:002016-09-09T09:20:44.175-07:00Yeah, because the Great Depression in Germany was ...Yeah, because the Great Depression in Germany was caused by *lack of government intervention*. Tell me more one.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-3526335471716925292016-09-09T09:19:34.200-07:002016-09-09T09:19:34.200-07:00Thanks. Much appreciated.Thanks. Much appreciated.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-63228474916927428302016-09-09T08:48:45.776-07:002016-09-09T08:48:45.776-07:00Since it seems to be missing, I have created a sub...Since it seems to be missing, I have created a subreddit for this initiative, just in case it's useful:<br /><br />https://www.reddit.com/r/RealistLeft/<br /><br />(In my opinion, "Realist" is a much better name than "alt-left", partly because "alt-left" kind of make us look like a reflection of the "alt-right", which is something I don't like at all personally. But I accept suggestions)<br /><br />If someone with initiative wants to get mod status or even take complete control of it I'm fine with it, I'm just trying to contribute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-43921052928207094792016-09-09T07:47:22.764-07:002016-09-09T07:47:22.764-07:00Sorry but it was interventionism, not 'isolati...Sorry but it was interventionism, not 'isolationism', that created the horrors of WWII.<br /><br />https://youtube.com/watch?v=4edDlIGAd2gGeorgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-85010182902789380372016-09-09T07:08:05.816-07:002016-09-09T07:08:05.816-07:00(1) UN membership, yes. NATO expansion into Easter...(1) UN membership, yes. NATO expansion into Eastern Europe and to the borders of Russia is a disaster and provocation, inciting conflict with Russia. Ultimately, NATO's fate is decided by democratic decisions of the people who live in each nation.<br /><br />(2) yes, these ideas are rising on the left. They'll be an entry whether now or later. Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-333091483544626212016-09-09T06:34:12.555-07:002016-09-09T06:34:12.555-07:00Hey Lord Keynes,
This ...Hey Lord Keynes,<br /> This is quite a well structured Wikipedia entry for the Realist Left. Well done! <br />But it's missing a reference section and a further reading section, I think these are important to reference literature to support any Wikipedia article on the Realist Left.<br /><br />But I do have some questions, if they're not too bothersome:<br />1) When you say, "The Realist Left is anti-imperialist and largely non-interventionist on foreign policy, but not isolationist." Would you believe the Realist Left would, for example, support military alliances like NATO and membership of the UN?<br /><br />Also, 2) Do you think this new left-wing is noticeable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article and Wikipedia moderators to allow it? Because apart from some Facebook pages and unless there's evidence to the contrary, I don't think it is.<br />Sebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00378176910063421860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-144849723161383742016-09-09T05:59:55.040-07:002016-09-09T05:59:55.040-07:00Some good, some bad. Some needs clarification. Thi...Some good, some bad. Some needs clarification. This for example:<br />"(6) the Realist Left is anti-imperialist and largely non-interventionist on foreign policy, but not isolationist. "<br /><br />Let me tell you of a debate I had via email with Don Boudreaux when he objected to being called isolationist. He insisted that for instance he would have traded with Germany in the 30s, so that's not isolationist. Do you see the consequence? "I'm not isolationist, I'd have let Du Pont ship Zyklon B to Germany."<br /><br />My point is, you need to give a little rigor to your term. <br />Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.com