tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post4896284327421054560..comments2024-03-28T17:08:15.784-07:00Comments on Social Democracy for the 21st Century: A Realist Alternative to the Modern Left: Open Borders in Europe means More NeoliberalismLord Keyneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-66337947988798538422016-01-23T15:45:14.055-08:002016-01-23T15:45:14.055-08:00Great post but I do wish you wouldn't strawman...Great post but I do wish you wouldn't strawman left libertarians. As a Green who are the UK's slept libertarians (sort of) open borders are a long term aspiration not a right now policy which is about discrimation.<br />These are from out policies for a Sustainable Society document (really needs a guide on how to read it as it's very nuanced)<br />Background MG101 The existing economic order and colonialism have both been major causes of migration through direct and indirect violence, disruption of traditional economies, the use of migrants as cheap labour, uneven patterns of development and global division of labour.<br /><br />MG102 We are aware that, in the 21st century, there is likely to be mass migration of people escaping from the consequences of global warming, environmental degradation, resource shortage and population increase.<br />MG200 The Green Party's highest priority is the creation of a just and ecological world order in which environmental devastation is minimised and needs can be met without recourse to migration.<br /><br />We are well aware of the causes.Andy Blatchfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05196261322445607791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-88081810867357087432016-01-22T07:06:10.396-08:002016-01-22T07:06:10.396-08:00What about the Labour Party in the 90s? They admit...What about the Labour Party in the 90s? They admitted it was to change the culture and the electorate. <br /><br />I mildly dispute your theory about Merkel. I think posturing -- virtue signalling -- was and is still a huge motive for her and her supporters. Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-9486162310474374292016-01-22T00:12:17.194-08:002016-01-22T00:12:17.194-08:00Complex reasons. Extreme multiculturalist ideology...Complex reasons. Extreme multiculturalist ideology is one reason. The influence of Marxist/left libertarian open borders utopian nonsense is another. No doubt you could add other reasons to the mix.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-49982168242529479432016-01-22T00:10:21.801-08:002016-01-22T00:10:21.801-08:00You wouldn't have to look hard to find neolibe...You wouldn't have to look hard to find neoliberal conservatives in favour of open borders.<br /><br />Aren't Jeb Bush and other prominent Republicans in favour of amnesty and citizenship for illegals in the US?<br />Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-70990647581746296192016-01-22T00:04:53.193-08:002016-01-22T00:04:53.193-08:00Do you have evidence that they are turning away Uk...Do you have evidence that they are turning away Ukrainians? <br /><br />If they are really turning away genuine Ukrainian refugees from the civil war, then that is a strange double standard, given their willingness to take refugees form nations far away from Europe. <br /><br />Of course it could be that the Ukrainians in question may be mere economic migrants, not refugees, in which case there is no legal reason why the EU should take such economic migrants.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-58374264087607240552016-01-21T23:21:13.919-08:002016-01-21T23:21:13.919-08:00LK, why do you think it has become the "liber...LK, why do you think it has become the "liberal" position to want to accept immigrants? The rich have traditionally been the ones who wanted great influxes of labor, as it meant they had to pay their workers less. Why is the left letting identity politics drive them to contradictory policies?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-60601539070492870302016-01-21T23:08:32.929-08:002016-01-21T23:08:32.929-08:00LK, why do you think it's now the "libera...LK, why do you think it's now the "liberal" position to accept millions of "refugees" while the "conservative" position is to turn them away. This seems backwards to me, since a flood of immigration gives businesses what they've always wanted: Cheap, unorganized labor.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10197805647391274931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-19997985700144247632016-01-21T19:23:02.003-08:002016-01-21T19:23:02.003-08:00LK, why do you think Germany refuses to accept vir...LK, why do you think Germany refuses to accept virtually all Ukrainian migrants who reach its borders?pithomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13997094225496018110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-24062165344770313202016-01-21T10:15:36.477-08:002016-01-21T10:15:36.477-08:00There is a link between the Troika economic polici...There is a link between the Troika economic policies in Greece and this rise in immigration.<br /><br />An article by the British Iraqi journalist Ghaith Abdul in the London Review of Books dated 8 October 2015 'Some Tips for the Long-Distance Traveller' confirms that the stream of boats from Turkey only started when the Syriza government reversed the previous 'turn back the boats' policy.<br /><br />As reported in the FT today Schauble is talking about a Marshall Plan for the Middle East to stop the tide of refugees.<br /><br />It would have been simpler to apply this idea in Greece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-88357758538796351392016-01-21T06:50:49.796-08:002016-01-21T06:50:49.796-08:00There's no sinister conspiracy, it is nothing ...There's no sinister conspiracy, it is nothing more than a development that happened whose practical effect -- when people in power design economic policy by means of neoclassical economics -- is to increase the same neoliberal program that has been going on for years.<br /><br />As for Merkel, her original decision to open the borders was a policy choice for humanitarian reasons, not for some sinister motive.<br />Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-45972747660339432932016-01-21T06:36:12.652-08:002016-01-21T06:36:12.652-08:00OK, do you believe that
a) Mass immigration was d...OK, do you believe that<br /><br />a) Mass immigration was deliberately encouraged as social engineering and a Trojan Horse to implement policies that certain statesmen prefer?<br /><br />OR<br /><br />b) This mass immigration is just a circumstance that happens to offer those statesmen an opportunity for certain policies to be pushed?Prateekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15287835907015065883noreply@blogger.com