tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post1885027953481003774..comments2024-03-17T00:23:24.896-07:00Comments on Social Democracy for the 21st Century: A Realist Alternative to the Modern Left: The Regressive Left’s Obsession with RaceLord Keyneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-70904683533694042062016-02-03T08:01:31.727-08:002016-02-03T08:01:31.727-08:00A good article on related stuff. http://observer.c...A good article on related stuff. http://observer.com/2016/02/the-totalitarian-doctrine-of-social-justice-warriors/ Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-59153436063816300032016-01-20T11:13:11.224-08:002016-01-20T11:13:11.224-08:00"There seems little doubt that the conflation..."There seems little doubt that the conflation of culture with race comes right out of the Postmodernist poison and all its offshoots over the past 30 years, and that it is a most dangerous and sinister idea, for it would make even criticism of culture or cultural ideas tantamount to racism."<br /><br />Indeed. That's the goal. That's Ramanan's tactic too I think. Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-68591415283342260272016-01-20T11:10:53.077-08:002016-01-20T11:10:53.077-08:00Ramanan's claim is ridiculous. "Asians ha...Ramanan's claim is ridiculous. "Asians have .." is a statement about race because identifies a group by a physical trait, not an idea they hold. "Christians have ..." is quite different. The group is identified and defined by their beliefs.<br /><br />Logic, truth, accuract, and clarity are no copouts.<br />Ken Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-87526043495559726272016-01-18T00:27:30.131-08:002016-01-18T00:27:30.131-08:00But "Asian" is not a race.
Asians are a...<i>But "Asian" is not a race.</i><br /><br />Asians are a number of races, so yes it is racist to imply they are inferior to non-Asian races. <br /><br />Islam is a religion, like Christianity. To say that criticising Islam is racist is as silly as saying that criticising Christianity is racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-85027231133616027672016-01-17T09:03:29.061-08:002016-01-17T09:03:29.061-08:00Oh "typically" was an undertone.
The p...Oh "typically" was an undertone. <br /><br />The point is not whether Islam is a race or not. It's not a race<br /><br />Consider the statement: "Asians have low intelligence". <br /><br />Is that racist? <br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />But "Asian" is not a race. People in Asia are diverse. So it is irrelevant whether Asian is a race or not. The person who says Asians have low intelligence is racist. <br /><br />It's the same case with Islam or Muslims. They live everywhere. <br /><br />You could critique a religion ... go ahead ... but Islam is not a race is a cop out! Ramananhttp://www.concertedaction.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-86545970102613344102016-01-17T08:43:34.663-08:002016-01-17T08:43:34.663-08:00"So it's people who hate Islam or Muslims...<i>"So it's people who hate Islam or Muslims who typically cop out with Islam is not a race. </i><br /><br />"Typically"? I find this highly dubious. <br /><br />Some small group of vicious right wing thugs or idiots may well hate irrationally.<br /><br />But liberal or secular left-wing people or atheists or even conservatives who simply wish to carefully and fairly examine religions and cultural ideas to examine those ideas and scrutinise them are not irrational bigots nor do they suffer from some pathological phobia. <br /><br />Even liberal Muslims often point out that their religion is not a race. <br />E.g., have you never heard of Maajid Nawaz?:<br /><br />https://twitter.com/maajidnawaz/status/554976010425606144Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-34306920013434484792016-01-17T08:14:28.577-08:002016-01-17T08:14:28.577-08:00Perhaps incoherent to you. But makes perfect sense...Perhaps incoherent to you. But makes perfect sense to me. <br /><br />There's always a pretense in these conversations. Obviously in the UK, Muslims are likely brown ... there are lot of people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. <br /><br />So it's people who hate Islam or Muslims who typically cop out with Islam is not a race. The technical point is irrelevant. <br /><br />"How can a religious belief per se have a racial identity? It does not. "<br /><br />See the point above. <br /><br />More importantly, the point is that racists just hide behind the "religion is not a race" so that they can show their hate for others. They want to say "oh we are just attacking the beliefs" but that's obviously not the case. Ramananhttp://www.concertedaction.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-87667725695412214162016-01-17T07:22:50.156-08:002016-01-17T07:22:50.156-08:00(1) The article is incoherent.
First, the author ...(1) The article is incoherent.<br /><br />First, the author agrees that the religious identity in question is not a race, but then half-way through we read: "Islam is not a race, but Muslims are". What?<br /><br />(2) <i>"it is disingenuous to claim that Islam has no colour."</i><br /><br />??? How can a religious belief per se have a racial identity? It does not. <br /><br />Presumably what is meant is that there are many Muslims who are not white. True. But nobody denied that.<br /><br />(3) <i>"When discrimination against some eastern Europeans in the UK is called racism, you don't hear cries of "Polish is not a race" to justify plain prejudice"</i><br /><br />First, being Polish is a nationality, not a race per se. Secondly, if you looked closely enough I'd be very surprised if any of the discrimination against Poles is caused by people thinking Poles are racially inferior. This is just xenophobia.<br /><br />(4) the issue here is that culture is not race. <br /><br />Is being a conservative Catholic and being vehemently opposed to contraception a phenomenon closely related to the cultural/religious beliefs of conservative Catholicism?<br /><br />Clearly, yes. <br /><br />You can't close down discussion of regressive Catholic social views by screaming that this is just anti-Italian or anti-Irish or anti-Hispanic racism, when race clearly isn't the issue at all.<br />Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6245381193993153721.post-50801170298726020592016-01-17T06:58:14.798-08:002016-01-17T06:58:14.798-08:00Islam is not a race is a cop out.
http://www.the...Islam is not a race is a cop out. <br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/20/islam-race-richard-dawkinsRamananhttp://www.concertedaction.comnoreply@blogger.com